Posts by Half banana

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Hypothetical Question...

by JW_Rogue in

i was just thinking that the org has said lots of outrageous things over it's history and most jws just continue onward without a second thought.

so my question is what do you think would have to be said from the platform or wt to get people to get up and walk out immediately?

is it even possible?

"Dear Brothers, we have an important announcement to make. The WTBTS has realised that although it has diligently served spiritual food to you all, it now humbly recognises that it misled you. The Bible, we realise, is not the inspired word of God and the WTBTS do not have God's special blessing otherwise we would have made correct date predictions. Immediately the organisation will begin to liquidise all assets and dissolve all legal associations. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your total support and commitment but henceforth there will be no more meetings."

Even this would only get rid of a large percent of JWs! The rest would re-form under many splinter groups, which are already waiting in the wings, to crank out the old propaganda minus the uncomfortable bits like overlapping, shunning and field service...........

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Why does Antoine Leiris' powerful tribute to his wife, killed by ISIS in the Paris attacks, bother me so much?

by nicolaou in

here is the translation of monsieur leiris' words;.

friday night, you took an exceptional life - the love of my life, the mother of my son - but you will not have my hatred.

i don't know who you are and i don't want to know, you are dead souls.

Half banana

Why does it bother you/ me? Perhaps his noble words could not contrast more with the anti-human depravity of Islamic terrorism.

The gut political reaction is for reprisals... which M Leiris is not espousing...how can more deaths correct the ignorance of religious criminality?

ISEL is an anarchic would-be theocracy born of an Islamic dream. Revenge and death to unbelievers are at its foundations. It was nurtured in poverty, religious superstition, poor education and paradisaic hope. (familiar parallels?) Faith in the supremacy and vindication of its invisible god blindly propels its followers to place 'mere' human life lower than its religious ideals, justifying beheadings and mayhem.

Fundamentalist Islamic belief has fostered among the marginalised, the psychopathic and the criminal elements like Abdulhamid Abaaoud the glory of being culture heroes... something which ordinary life would not have granted them.

Isn't the real answer to work towards the elimination of world poverty and full secular education for all?

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I'm a cynical, sarcastic and curmudgeonly old bastard most of the time.

by nicolaou in

but as i move into my early 50's i find i'm more and more comfortable in my thick, leathery hide.. please get it into your thick skull's that i don't insult or make snarky comments with the intent of hurting anyone's feelings.

that being said, if your precious feelings are hurt it's probably your fault for being a prissy, over sensitive drama queen who can't defend his argument.. i do actually love you all, it's just that most of the time you spineless pussies really get on my nerves!.

good god i feel better for that!

Half banana

Cats get grumpy too. My cat is in a bit of a mood this morning, he is sitting by the pond ready to pounce wondering why there are no more fish to catch. The reason being he ate the last one a couple of days ago.

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Evolution and Creation—both are stories!

by lsw1961 in

there are number of nobel laureates and other great scientists in both the camps defending their respective theories of evolution and creation, which means both are just stories, and both suffer from having no eye-witnesses.

if either of them were true, all scientists would have accepted it unanimously as they do with rest of the laws such as law of gravity..

this does not mean that there is no god.

Half banana

The evolution theorum does not need defending since it is factually based. The Bible's story of creation is a literary fantasy which only the educationally stunted believe.

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My letter to Bethel about the flood

by Cornbread in

i've decided to go full public with a new username on this forum.

it's been almost a decade since i've been out and i don't care at this point who knows.

that being said, here's a letter that i'm mailing to bethel.

Half banana

Cornbread, love your post. Speaking as someone familiar with prehistory, an understanding of earth sciences is vital to contextualise the archaeological artefacts and past events on our planet. It so happens that the last 15,000 years of late ice-age and post ice-age geology and geography is very well recorded and understood.

The ice cores were a fundamental tool used to resolve the accuracy and pattern of ice age events and climate change during the late Pleistocene and present Holocene period. The deep sea sediment cores back in the1970s were even more important but the data is less transparent to the general public. In fact the picture of the Earth’s climate has been determined by the corroboration of quite a number of careful scientific endeavours culminating in a clear framework of historic and prehistoric climate, none of which allow for a global flood (academic references available if you are interested).

Indeed with a massive scientific data base to the contrary, and set alongside the nature of the account as a mythical narrative and the sheer logistical impossibility of the story; Noah’s flood categorically did not and could not have taken place. It is naive in the extreme to imagine that one took place so recently in the historic period and JWs should feel shamefaced for such ignorance.

The fact that Jesus and Peter refer to it, is no authority at all since there is little to no evidence that these individuals either existed or were the authors of the words attributed to them. Most certainly what they are purported to have said, was never taken down verbatim and at best could only have been recalled many years later giving the real writer every opportunity to pen precisely what he wanted them to say. A concept alien to the gullible Watchtower organisation and other fundamentalists...who blindly believe any ‘sacred’ thing they want to hear.

I would love to hear a reply from WT HQ like this: Thank you Bro Johns for your input on the contrary evidence for the Flood. We all agree here that you are right and we had got it wrong all along. We will immediately stop believing in this childish nonsense and dissolve the WTBTS immediately. Your Brothers WTBTS.

Well you can dream!

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The Thief of Always

by YinzerDad in

prologue... .

a brief precursor about myself.

i've been lurking around for almost 2 years.

Half banana

Yinzerdad, thank you for revealing your personal experiences to us. I’m sure your blubbing session at the therapy group was actually cathartic.

Not everyone HAS to be passionate, many are happy ‘foot-soldiers’ in life who look after their families and thoughtfully support them in every way which is not only valuable for the next generation but is a source of stability and satisfaction to oneself and all loved ones.

Nevertheless your little break-down indicates that you are aware of the problems arising from a JW childhood. This is a sad consequence of being brought up in a narrow authoritarian cult. The effect for many is that imagination and experiment and normal helpful childhood experiences are sacrificed in the name of “serving God” (in reality serving the interests Watchtower organisation). This leads up to a person who is lacking the needed preparation to flourish in the real world as an adult... but instead is left ideally kitted out mentally and emotionally to slave as another Watchtower drone.

This harmful JW practice removes the chances of building an integrated and balanced and confident child, at least where the parents blindly follow the dire “theocratic” advice.

However you have two things which are a sound platform from which to work: You are young... and you have an education beyond the expectations of most JWs. You still have great opportunities in life ahead of you. You are also doing something about your depression, this is very good... and be happy that you have taken the effort to do so. As a JW the only things for which you might have received commendation were to do with the wretched religion. The therapy should help you see who you actually are, not the person you were reared as a pawn in a publishing company’s master plan!

With freedom from those old constraints nagging in the back of your mind, it is likely that you will find many things that the real you will be passionate about. All the best to you and do keep posting.

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Too Much Discontent in the Congregation Part 3

by Simon Templar in

now, 80-85 years later, we are still here.

if i was to do the counsel with a brother who had this much experience, i would have just thanked him for doing the talk, and marked him good on the point.

this is a good way to get money though.

Half banana

@ Kaik, frankly were all bamboozled by the prospect of paradise. If something looks like it's too good to be true then it is too good to be true but that's not the way JWs think and if all your friends think the same way then it's easier and more hopeful to continue believing the unbelievable.

This is the JW method... it never delivers.

Wakey wakey Watchtower!

(Catch phrase to compete with Oubliette...only kidding)

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Tacky Witnessing

by Bangalore in

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found this on a pro jw site.. .

bangalore.

Half banana

Bangalore, on a PRO JW site?

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Are Jehovah’s Winesses “Fundamentalists” and “Fanatics”?

by EdenOne in

recently ive posted on fb a meme where a two pairs of hands held open a bible and the quram side by side.

then i wrote on it:.

(faith + fundamentalism) x (hate + propaganda) = legitimation of intolerance and violence.

Half banana

I agree Eden, JWs are fundamentalists but only some of them are fanatics. Fortunately more and more we encounter passive uninformed Jdubs and let's hope this group continues to grow. Better would be to have informed and educated, reasoning Jdubs who on learning the importance of critical thinking, leave the cult.

@ Cha ching, do they really sing that sinister phrase...oh hell!

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Too Much Discontent in the Congregation Part 3

by Simon Templar in

now, 80-85 years later, we are still here.

if i was to do the counsel with a brother who had this much experience, i would have just thanked him for doing the talk, and marked him good on the point.

this is a good way to get money though.

Half banana

Simon your report seems to show that the bros and sisters are aware of the big confidence trick the Watchtower has played on them. People are responding by not contributing money to the organisation and quite rightly so; they were duped. They know from long experience that the talk of big A coming any moment is losing its charm.

The Watchtower is a doomsday cult and social club...the club might continue among friends but the doomsday bit has definitely gone off the boil.